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c come in with weaver depression. also due to the loss. they say often treatment does not always include medication. at the university of utah college of nursing to have a way to do that. there holding an event to help people cope with loss of grief and the holidays. the director of caring connections, kathy is here to tell us about it. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> brian: business holiday some tougher people? >> first we have grief and depression. grief is about our connection with people you care about what people that have impacted our lives. >> brian: it is okay to have grief. >> yes the holidays are different because it focuses on celebration, connections, all of the things that are deeply moving to us. that bring us to other people. our spiritual time and death rocks that world. because it changes everything and it changes everything permanently. >> brian: so doesn't allow someone to have that celebration was celebratory filling. >> will certainly not the same way because we celebrate with the people who love and absence is felt profoundly. >> brian: so what do you do if you're one of those people has a loved one, especially the past away. had to get to the holidays and make it a positive experience? >> we encourage people to think and plan ahead which is why we are planning the event. we also want people to have the freedom to do it their own way. for some people that means doing the traditional things and baking cookies. for others it means i really need a break from this. i need to do something different so i do not feel the absence. the challenge is, we grieve in families and one person may be the cookie baking tree person at another person may be we need to get out of town this holiday. so planning ahead and having that dialogue and being respectful of each other's grief when we are in families and among our friends is really important. >> brian: learning how each of us grieves differently. i'm assuming is one of the things you will talk about their. >> exactly. what people helpful tips to help them navigate. we're not talking just christmas but thanksgiving, other gatherings, the jewish holidays in all the way through new year's. this can be a very dark time for people who have lost someone that they love. >> and you have a special guest. because we do. the event is great and the holidays. we do this every year and we invite people to have been three significant grief experience. it is inspirational. so john schmidt of the piano guys is coming this year. he will talk of course about the loss of his daughter annie who died in a hiking incident. very sad story. but john is focusing not only with his music but with his story about how he opened himself up to people that are caring for him and supporting him in expressing the gratitude that he feels that people are comfortable sharing stories and comforting them in their grief. >> a great opportunity to connect with someone that probably has seen and deftly heard from. if you want to check this out, you can find the information for the event. >> is a olympus junior high school. we need a larger venue and it is a football saturday. so join us at olympus junior high

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